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Joyce Sparks (of Child Protective Services) speaking with David Koresh on the telephone, April 2, 1993, about mass suicide rumors, Marc Breault's counter prophecy and efforts to destroy Branch Davidians, the 1987 trial, bringing children into office for interviews, etc. Label reads “J. Spark, intv. with D.K. 4-2-92."

Sam and Johnny talk about a New York Times article about Afghanistan and the Taliban. They also talk about the story of Mohammad and Islam. During their conversation, Sam tells Johnny of the Bohemian Sausage Festival and Johnny reminisces about going to a gun show after meeting up with Sam in Iowa. They also talk about the reactions of people after September 11, 2001 and what to expect in the coming days and the crusades during the middle ages. Sam also talks about writing about his father throughout his life. Conversations between Sam Shepard and Johnny Dark.