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Dr. Phil Arnold and Dr. Jim Tabor speaking about Revelation, the Seven Seals, and Koresh's interpretation of the Bible on the Ron Engelman Show. Label reads "Copy of discussion bettween [sic] Dr. Phil Arnold and Dr. Jim Tabor. KGBS radio, Ron Engelman Show 10:34 AM April 1, 1993."

Dr. Jim Tabor speaking about David Koresh's writing on the First Seal of Revelation and his possible intentions to exit Mt. Carmel. Label reads, "Copy of discussion bettween [sic] Dr. Phil Arnold and Dr. Jim Tabor. KGBS radio, Ron Engelman Show 10:34 AM April 1, 1993."

Sam and Johnny talk about a New York Times article about Afghanistan and the Taliban. They also talk about the story of Mohammad and Islam. During their conversation, Sam tells Johnny of the Bohemian Sausage Festival and Johnny reminisces about going to a gun show after meeting up with Sam in Iowa. They also talk about the reactions of people after September 11, 2001 and what to expect in the coming days and the crusades during the middle ages. Sam also talks about writing about his father throughout his life. Conversations between Sam Shepard and Johnny Dark.