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Lee Hudman discusses how her ties with the university brought her back to San Marcos long after she graduated. She begins with describing how she and her husband lived in Dr. James Taylor's garage apartment during their studies before moving to Washington D.C. She also talks about the changes that took place in San Marcos and the university during her absence, what she believes Texas State will be like in future years, and talks about the Alumni House's history in relation to LBJ.

Sam and Johnny talk about a New York Times article about Afghanistan and the Taliban. They also talk about the story of Mohammad and Islam. During their conversation, Sam tells Johnny of the Bohemian Sausage Festival and Johnny reminisces about going to a gun show after meeting up with Sam in Iowa. They also talk about the reactions of people after September 11, 2001 and what to expect in the coming days and the crusades during the middle ages. Sam also talks about writing about his father throughout his life. Conversations between Sam Shepard and Johnny Dark.