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Pat Norwood talks about the different positions at Texas State he has held from the 1930s through the 1960s and the responsibilities that came with those positions, including his work as the principal of the campus training school and director of public services. He relayed memories of his travels throughout Texas recruiting students for the university. He recalls Dr. Flowers, his work as secretory for the Gilmer-Aiken Committee in 1947, and work in the Rotary Club in the 1940s and 1950s.

Sam and Johnny talk about a New York Times article about Afghanistan and the Taliban. They also talk about the story of Mohammad and Islam. During their conversation, Sam tells Johnny of the Bohemian Sausage Festival and Johnny reminisces about going to a gun show after meeting up with Sam in Iowa. They also talk about the reactions of people after September 11, 2001 and what to expect in the coming days and the crusades during the middle ages. Sam also talks about writing about his father throughout his life. Conversations between Sam Shepard and Johnny Dark.