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Dr. Walton D. Hardesty talks about his transition from working at Camp Gary to becoming a psychology professor at SWTSC. Along with detailing his teaching career and his popular courses in human sexuality, he shares his thoughts on the changes Texas State has seen in its student body and its attitudes, the campus layout, its role in regulating students' lives, and its reputation from the 1960s to the 1980s.

Johnny talks to Sam about finally understanding Sam’s love of driving. Sam tells Johnny a story about a guy he knew who taught his kid how to shoot a .22 by having the kid shoot a cigarette out of his mouth. They also talk about Charles Manson and his magnetism with women, Wang Poe and Buddhism, mind substance and Robin Williams. After the conversation with Sam, the recording picks up mid conversation between Johnny and an unknown woman. Conversations between Sam Shepard and Johnny Dark.

Cover story on 40th Anniversary Issue