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John McCrocklin briefly talks about his personal background and undergraduate studies at SWTSU. He describes how his father and he started their real estate company, McCrocklin and Associates, and details his experiences and knowledge about the real estate and development markets in San Marcos and surrounding areas. He outlines the challenges he's faced as a large-scale developer and gives reasons for his success.

Sam and Johnny talk about a New York Times article about Afghanistan and the Taliban. They also talk about the story of Mohammad and Islam. During their conversation, Sam tells Johnny of the Bohemian Sausage Festival and Johnny reminisces about going to a gun show after meeting up with Sam in Iowa. They also talk about the reactions of people after September 11, 2001 and what to expect in the coming days and the crusades during the middle ages. Sam also talks about writing about his father throughout his life. Conversations between Sam Shepard and Johnny Dark.