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De Johnson shares her family's history in Texas and her experience attending graduate school at UT-Austin. She explains how her education background and teaching experiences at private business colleges in Austin led to her employment at SWTSU in the 1970s. She describes her time working in the university's counseling center and teaching psychology courses. Dean Johnson outlines the creation of SLAC and the resources she's developed to help university students effectively learn, and she predicts what SLAC will be like in the future.

Johnny talks to Sam about finally understanding Sam’s love of driving. Sam tells Johnny a story about a guy he knew who taught his kid how to shoot a .22 by having the kid shoot a cigarette out of his mouth. They also talk about Charles Manson and his magnetism with women, Wang Poe and Buddhism, mind substance and Robin Williams. After the conversation with Sam, the recording picks up mid conversation between Johnny and an unknown woman. Conversations between Sam Shepard and Johnny Dark.

Public Matters is the Master of Public Administration (MPA) program's magazine that highlights not only the program's achievements, events, and faculty research throughout the previous year, but also shines a light on our MPA alumni and their work within the field of public administration.