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Empress Zedler discusses how she went about organizing courses and clinics for the university's special education department. These clinics brought lecturing scholars to teach university students methodology and topics relating to special education and helping children with special needs. Dr. Zedler mentions specific visiting professors as well as Dr. Flowers in particular.

Sam and Johnny talk about a New York Times article about Afghanistan and the Taliban. They also talk about the story of Mohammad and Islam. During their conversation, Sam tells Johnny of the Bohemian Sausage Festival and Johnny reminisces about going to a gun show after meeting up with Sam in Iowa. They also talk about the reactions of people after September 11, 2001 and what to expect in the coming days and the crusades during the middle ages. Sam also talks about writing about his father throughout his life. Conversations between Sam Shepard and Johnny Dark.