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Vernon McDonald details his relationship with Milton Jowers, how the university's basketball team has changed over the years he has played for and coached it (1950s through 1980s), and what he sees in the team's future. He mentions other topics such as school registration, Dr. Evans, Dr. Flowers, Dr. McCrocklin, LBJ, Oscar Strahan, Coach Wacker, and the Strahan Coliseum.

Sam and Johnny talk about a New York Times article about Afghanistan and the Taliban. They also talk about the story of Mohammad and Islam. During their conversation, Sam tells Johnny of the Bohemian Sausage Festival and Johnny reminisces about going to a gun show after meeting up with Sam in Iowa. They also talk about the reactions of people after September 11, 2001 and what to expect in the coming days and the crusades during the middle ages. Sam also talks about writing about his father throughout his life. Conversations between Sam Shepard and Johnny Dark.