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Gary Mauro talks primarily about current issues he encounters while serving as Texas Land Commissioner, including issues with landowners and ranches as well as pipeline disputes. He also talks briefly about his time in college at A&M University and his time working for Bob Bullock.

Johnny tells Sam a story about working outside, playing racquetball and feeling alone at the Y. Johnny elaborates on loneliness and how people surround themselves with people to not be alone. Their conversation then moves to the Bible and matters that are of a spiritual nature. Conversations between Sam Shepard and Johnny Dark.

Meeting minutes from the Texas State University System Board of Regents.