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Dr. Kissler discusses developing the teacher training program and working with student teachers in the history department. She shares her experiences in working with academic organizations such as AAUP and TACT, including serving on councils and in leadership positions. Dr. Kissler also talks about her time serving as chairwoman of the history department and serving on the San Marcos City Council.

Sam and Johnny talk about a New York Times article about Afghanistan and the Taliban. They also talk about the story of Mohammad and Islam. During their conversation, Sam tells Johnny of the Bohemian Sausage Festival and Johnny reminisces about going to a gun show after meeting up with Sam in Iowa. They also talk about the reactions of people after September 11, 2001 and what to expect in the coming days and the crusades during the middle ages. Sam also talks about writing about his father throughout his life. Conversations between Sam Shepard and Johnny Dark.