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Johnny talks to Sam about finally understanding Sam’s love of driving. Sam tells Johnny a story about a guy he knew who taught his kid how to shoot a .22 by having the kid shoot a cigarette out of his mouth. They also talk about Charles Manson and his magnetism with women, Wang Poe and Buddhism, mind substance and Robin Williams. After the conversation with Sam, the recording picks up mid conversation between Johnny and an unknown woman. Conversations between Sam Shepard and Johnny Dark.

This interview was conducted in Spring 2021 as part of The Make Your Mark Student Audio Project. This project is limited to graduating seniors who were asked to reflect on their time at Texas State University and discuss their experiences.