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A phone conversation between Sam and Johnny about several adventures in drinking and getting “smashed." Their conversation eventually turns to drug experiences, addictions and what affects smoking grass had on them. They also discuss what books they are currently reading at the moment. Johnny also talks about his time living in Tangiers and Valencia and moving back to Connecticut. He relates the story about how he met Scarlett. Conversations between Sam Shepard and Johnny Dark.

This interview was conducted in Spring 2021 as part of The Make Your Mark Student Audio Project. This project is limited to graduating seniors who were asked to reflect on their time at Texas State University and discuss their experiences.