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During this conversation, Sam tells Johnny about reading Great River and how the writer, Paul Horgan, has a way with writing. They also discuss continuity in life and with people and relationships. Sam talks with Johnny about moving himself to Texas. (Sound missing due to technical difficulties during digital transfer, beginning at 21:27 and ends at 22:00) Conversations between Sam Shepard and Johnny Dark.

Bible study led by David Koresh, filmed by Australian film crew (Channel 9 "A Current Affair,") with footage of Branch Davidians entering Mt. Carmel beforehand and leaving afterward. Label reads "Australia." Original on VHS tape.

1992 yearbook for Southwest Texas State University.

This interview was conducted in Spring 2021 as part of The Make Your Mark Student Audio Project. This project is limited to graduating seniors who were asked to reflect on their time at Texas State University and discuss their experiences.