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Pat Norwood talks about the different positions at Texas State he has held from the 1930s through the 1960s and the responsibilities that came with those positions, including his work as the principal of the campus training school and director of public services. He relayed memories of his travels throughout Texas recruiting students for the university. He recalls Dr. Flowers, his work as secretory for the Gilmer-Aiken Committee in 1947, and work in the Rotary Club in the 1940s and 1950s.

Johnny has a conversation about a live show that is friend on the other end of the line played. Johnny also talks about a book that he is writing and how he wrote the ending first and is writing backwards. Later on, Johnny talks to Sam about the various guns they own. Conversations between Sam Shepard and Johnny Dark.

Johnny talks with an unknown woman about writing his biography and the various things he has done with it, such as writing his own death at the end. The woman also talks to Johnny about writing her biography as well. The conversation eventually turns to talk about how Johnny went around and interviewed the people that he knows for his biography so that they could write their own story for it. Johnny tells a story of a former girlfriend who was forced by her father to drop out of college and forbade her from seeing him again and how they finally met up 30 years later. Conversations between Sam Shepard and Johnny Dark.

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