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Sam Holmes talks about growing up and the different jobs he's held in Austin, including selling newspapers and working in a grocery store as a child in the 1930s. He also shares memories of working at the Driskill Hotel in Austin, a popular political meeting ground when LBJ was president.

Johnny talks to Sam about finally understanding Sam’s love of driving. Sam tells Johnny a story about a guy he knew who taught his kid how to shoot a .22 by having the kid shoot a cigarette out of his mouth. They also talk about Charles Manson and his magnetism with women, Wang Poe and Buddhism, mind substance and Robin Williams. After the conversation with Sam, the recording picks up mid conversation between Johnny and an unknown woman. Conversations between Sam Shepard and Johnny Dark.

Cover story on Royce Showalter