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This is the transcript from the first of three interviews that Bruce Roche conducted with Dr. Flowers just prior to his retirement. Dr. Flowers (Class of 1913) was President of Southwest Texas State College from 1942-1964. In this interview, Dr. Flowers talks about the history of education in Texas, his educational philosophy, and the need for vocational schools to provide practical skills to their students. He also talks about growing up in a family that had books in their home, and how he was encouraged to get his master’s degree at the age of 30. Interviewer Bruce Roche was director of the College News Service. This interview was the source material for his article “Goal: Excellence – Dr. Flowers’ Lifelong Watchword,” published in the Austin American-Statesman on August 30, 1964.

Author Gary Cartwright with a horse and rifle wearing a sombrero hat. Glass of wine balanced on the horse's rear end. Photograph stuck to glass.

Doug Zobel (front center with arm on leg) and Kathy DuBose (seated, wearing glasses, back turned to camera, looking to her left) and other patrons watching an unidentified band play at The Raw Deal. Guitars were not typically allowed in the original Raw Deal location

Beverly Spicer at The Raw Deal

Beverly, known as "BY" or "YB," owner of AZIZ hair salon, holding a Tecate beer can; Beverly was a hairstylist for Willie Nelson and Terry DuBose

Bill Wittliff (L) with unidentified woman and man at bar

Bob Bullock, former Lieutenant Governor of Texas, and Ann Richards, former Governor of Texas, seated at The Raw Deal

Edwin "Bud" Shrake (back to camera) and an unidentified woman seated at table in The Raw Deal

(L-R) Edwin "Bud" Shrake and Robert "Rob" Hoover at the counter of The Raw Deal

(L-R) Edwin "Bud" Shrake, David Richards, and Fletcher Boone (wearing a tuxedo) at the Boone private residence

Close portrait of unidentified man; face obscured by high-contrast photo print; "45" written on verso

Close up of unidentified man with sunglasses drinking a beer

Color photograph of Billy Lee Brammer at The Raw Deal (this photograph was published with Brammer's obituary)

Dan Jenkins (L) and Jerry Jeff Walker at The Raw Deal

David Richards, ACLU attorney and husband of former Texas Governor Ann Richards, seated at table with head turned to his left and beer bottle in foreground at The Raw Deal

David Richards, husband of former Texas Governor Ann Richards, standing with baseball glove in field; Richards is playing for The Raw Deal baseball team against another team of employees from a bar in San Antonio. The game took place in New Braunfels.

David Smith at The Raw Deal

Dorothy Vance Reed and Thomas/Tommy (surname unknown)

Dorothy Vance Reed in a sheer dress standing in parking lot

Dorothy Vance Reed smiling while holding a beer at The Raw Deal