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Betty Dressen discusses growing up on a farm. She shares her memories of "going into town" to Lockhart with her dad once a month. She shares the responsibilities that come with that kind of lifestyle, such as curing meat, making cheese, canning, and other aspects including wells and growing her garden.

Johnny tells Sam a story about working outside, playing racquetball and feeling alone at the Y. Johnny elaborates on loneliness and how people surround themselves with people to not be alone. Their conversation then moves to the Bible and matters that are of a spiritual nature. Conversations between Sam Shepard and Johnny Dark.

Cover story on Claude Morgan

Public Matters is the Master of Public Administration (MPA) program's magazine that highlights not only the program's achievements, events, and faculty research throughout the previous year, but also shines a light on our MPA alumni and their work within the field of public administration.