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Sam Holmes talks about growing up and the different jobs he's held in Austin, including selling newspapers and working in a grocery store as a child in the 1930s. He also shares memories of working at the Driskill Hotel in Austin, a popular political meeting ground when LBJ was president.

A phone conversation between Sam and Johnny about several adventures in drinking and getting “smashed." Their conversation eventually turns to drug experiences, addictions and what affects smoking grass had on them. They also discuss what books they are currently reading at the moment. Johnny also talks about his time living in Tangiers and Valencia and moving back to Connecticut. He relates the story about how he met Scarlett. Conversations between Sam Shepard and Johnny Dark.

Cover story on Chasca

Public Matters is the Master of Public Administration (MPA) program's magazine that highlights not only the program's achievements, events, and faculty research throughout the previous year, but also shines a light on our MPA alumni and their work within the field of public administration.