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This is the transcript from the second of three interviews that Bruce Roche conducted with Dr. Flowers just prior to his retirement. Dr. Flowers (Class of 1913) was President of Southwest Texas State College from 1942-1964. In this interview, he talks about the development of general education requirements that brought the Humanities (arts and philosophy) back into mainstream course requirements. He discusses his opinions about faculty qualifications and who should supervise student teachers, about the college adopting a team-teaching approach, and the role of a college president. Flowers also talks about funding from the Danforth Foundation and the Hogg Foundation that allowed the school to implement programs it couldn’t otherwise afford. Interviewer Bruce Roche was director of the College News Service. This interview was the source material for his article “Goal: Excellence – Dr. Flowers’ Lifelong Watchword,” published in the Austin American-Statesmanon August 30, 1964.

Excerpts from FLIR footage, April 19, 1993, with analysis of "incidents" of gunfire from government agents and of one explosion in building. Analyzed by Dr. Edward Allard. Label reads "Waco FLIR test." Original on VHS tape.

Footage of federal agents boarding helicopters; agents flying and driving to Mt. Carmel; tanks and armored personnel carriers around the perimeter; Mt. Carmel burning. Label reads "Smuggled BATF Tape 209," and includes address and phone number of Underground Hotline is listed at the beginning, to order copy and catalog.

Excerpt of loudspeaker instructions from FBI negotiator Byron Sage, near the beginning of the assault on April 19, 1993. Label reads "89B-SA 38851-SVBA SA-SDTX-72 #31 4/19/93."

Excerpts from negotiations between David Koresh, Steve Schneider and FBI negotiators, discussing theology, tract on Seven Seals, fault of BATF during raid, etc; includes Byron Sage giving instructions on loudspeaker during April 19 assault.Label reads "Side A: 2nd tape of clips."

Loudspeaker instructions by FBI negotiator Byron Sage on April 19, 1993, after the fire has started. Label reads "898 SA-3851-SVBA SA WDTX-72 #32 4/19/93."

Video footage of the April 19 fire and debris of Mt. Carmel after the fire. Label reads "Fawcett/Fire - Debris." Original on VHS tape.

Video footage of Mt. Carmel debris after the April 19 fire. Label reads "Dunaway (labeled on front of tape: Mt Carmel 4-19-93 Changed copy Dunaway FTWPD no sound on original)." Original on VHS tape. No sound.

Negotiations (transcript #105). Label reads "Negotiations (transcript #105); Side A: 105- D. Jones bite"

Footage of various vehicles, helicopters, agents and police around Mt. Carmel perimeter; sign reading "No Tourist" in foreground of Mt. Carmel; medical tent and personnel treating Clive Doyle after he escaped fire, and loading a covered body into an ambulance; David Thibodeau being taken into custody after he escaped fire; Branch Davidian in orange jumpsuit and handcuffs being put into police car. Label reads "Mt Carmel 4/19/93 - Medical Treatment." Part 1 of 2; original on VHS tape.

Footage of smoldering wreckage of Mt. Carmel, with police, military men and firemen surrounding it, filming it, and gathering evidence from it. Label reads "Mt Carmel 4/19/93 Medical Treatment Compound w/ holes Changed copy no sound on original tape." Part 2 of 2; original on VHS tape.

Cover story on Guy Forsyth

Cover story on Mike Clancey