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This is the transcript from the second of three interviews that Bruce Roche conducted with Dr. Flowers just prior to his retirement. Dr. Flowers (Class of 1913) was President of Southwest Texas State College from 1942-1964. In this interview, he talks about the development of general education requirements that brought the Humanities (arts and philosophy) back into mainstream course requirements. He discusses his opinions about faculty qualifications and who should supervise student teachers, about the college adopting a team-teaching approach, and the role of a college president. Flowers also talks about funding from the Danforth Foundation and the Hogg Foundation that allowed the school to implement programs it couldn’t otherwise afford. Interviewer Bruce Roche was director of the College News Service. This interview was the source material for his article “Goal: Excellence – Dr. Flowers’ Lifelong Watchword,” published in the Austin American-Statesmanon August 30, 1964.

Johnny tells Sam a story about working outside, playing racquetball and feeling alone at the Y. Johnny elaborates on loneliness and how people surround themselves with people to not be alone. Their conversation then moves to the Bible and matters that are of a spiritual nature. Conversations between Sam Shepard and Johnny Dark.

David Koresh interviewing young children one-by-one--asking them if they believe God will save them, etc.; tanks audible in background; Steve Schneider interviewing older children and David Thibodeau (addressing his mother). Label reads "Tape from compound 3/28/93." Interviewees include Thibodeau, David; Martinez, Isaiah; Martinez, Crystal; Sylvia, Holly; Koresh, Star; Schneider, Mayanah; Koresh, Cyrus; Gent, Dayland; Martinez, Joseph; Martin, Lisa; Martinez, Audrey; Sylvia, Rachel; Martinez, Abigail; and Martin, Sheila. Original on VHS tape.

Cover story on Randy Toman, Jr.