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This is the transcript from the second of three interviews that Bruce Roche conducted with Dr. Flowers just prior to his retirement. Dr. Flowers (Class of 1913) was President of Southwest Texas State College from 1942-1964. In this interview, he talks about the development of general education requirements that brought the Humanities (arts and philosophy) back into mainstream course requirements. He discusses his opinions about faculty qualifications and who should supervise student teachers, about the college adopting a team-teaching approach, and the role of a college president. Flowers also talks about funding from the Danforth Foundation and the Hogg Foundation that allowed the school to implement programs it couldn’t otherwise afford. Interviewer Bruce Roche was director of the College News Service. This interview was the source material for his article “Goal: Excellence – Dr. Flowers’ Lifelong Watchword,” published in the Austin American-Statesmanon August 30, 1964.

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Sam and Johnny have a phone conversation and talk about a friend they both had conversations with who is writing a book. They discuss previous and current relationships problems, past experiences and memories. The conversation eventually focuses on Sam’s efforts to learn to play the piano. Conversations between Sam Shepard and Johnny Dark.

A continuation of the conversation from Side A. Johnny talks about past relationships, breaking into one of his ex girlfriends apartments and getting arrested, and having remorse about messing up his last serious relationships. After his conversation is over with Sam, the recording switches to a conversation between Johnny and Scarlett on various subjects. They talk about the question of what it is to be an adult and talk it out between each other. Conversations between Sam Shepard and Johnny Dark.